[19:54] *** tescosamoa has changed the topic on channel #se4 to #SE4 Speaker #2 - D. E. Gervais Topic : Graphics and Graphic Tool Questions
[19:54] @Fyron: A meter is ~39 inches, more than a yard.
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[19:55] +StarfuryJunkie: Ooh, is it time?
[19:55] Rollo: a meter is about 100cm and a yard is just silly :P
[19:55] +StarfuryJunkie: Meter is EXACTLY 100 cm by definition.
[19:55] @MC_Fyron: A meter is exactly 100cm, not about. Yards are not silly.
[19:55] +DavidGervais: lol
[19:55] @tescosamoa: a yard of beer is not silly 
[19:55] +DavidGervais: you guys kill me.
[19:55] * MC_Fyron curse SJ for posting a microsecond before him.
[19:56] @MC_Fyron: That is a lot of beer!
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[19:56] +StarfuryJunkie: Depends on how tall and wide the beer is.
[19:56] Rollo: mmm, beer
[19:56] +DavidGervais: hi Erax
[19:56] @MC_Fyron: wb Mr. Stormtrooper!
[19:56] @tescosamoa: wow 8055 hours on trillian 
[19:56] narfpoitchezBOOM: hi erax
[19:56] +StarfuryJunkie: A cubic yard would be quite a bit.  A yard-long straw full of beer would not.
[19:57] +DavidGervais: wb?? I've been here 4 hours and you people say wb to erax??
[19:57] @MC_Fyron: Tesco, reboot once in a while. ;)
[19:57] Erax: Hi David, hi Narf.
[19:57] @MC_Fyron: You did not leave.
[19:57] @MC_Fyron: So, you can not be welcomed back.
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[19:57] +DavidGervais: erax, try not to say David and Narf on the same line ;)
[19:57] @MC_Fyron: You can be welcomed, but being welcomed back requires you to have been gone.
[19:57] narfpoitchezBOOM: impeccable logic. you have nothing to fear from birds
[19:57] Erax: You did not see me leave but I was offline.
[19:57] @MC_Tesco: Well good evening everyone 
[19:57] narfpoitchezBOOM: why?
[19:57] @MC_Fyron: Good evening!
[19:58] * Rollo waves
[19:58] narfpoitchezBOOM: Good Evening!
[19:58] @MC_Tesco: Tonight I would like to welcome our second guest to the SE4 channel 
[19:58] narfpoitchezBOOM: YAAY!
[19:58] @MC_Tesco: Mr. David Gervais 
[19:58] * Rollo claps
[19:58] Erax: *** claps
[19:58] narfpoitchezBOOM: *CLAP CLAP CLAP*
[19:58] @MC_Fyron: Small crowd tonight. Let's hope he can draw a larger one!
[19:58] * StarfuryJunkie claps more
[19:58] narfpoitchezBOOM: WEEE!
[19:58] +DavidGervais: Thanks, everyONE
[19:58] @MC_Tesco: Tonights topic will be on graphics  
[19:58] +StarfuryJunkie: Wooo!
[19:58] * MC_Tesco its summer
[19:59] @MC_Tesco: so I would now like to turn the channel over to Mr Gervais 
[19:59] Erax:  It's winter down here.
[19:59] Rollo: please clap a bit more, the air is so stuffy
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[19:59] +StarfuryJunkie: Yaaaay!
[19:59] +StarfuryJunkie: *clapclapclap*
[19:59] Katchoo: yo joe
[19:59] * Rollo roots for David
[19:59] @MC_Tesco: remember ask away any question 
[19:59] +DavidGervais: Ok, so in order to beat the 'fashionably late' comers I'll start by posting the info from Aaron,
[20:00] +DavidGervais: unless anyone has an objection.
[20:00] @MC_Fyron: Sounds like a plan!
[20:00] +StarfuryJunkie: Woohoo!  Yeah!
[20:00] Rollo: ...
[20:00] Erax:  *** claps some more
[20:00] +DavidGervais: Aaron: "You can let people know that I will begin work on SE5 just as soon as Starfury is out the door."
[20:00] @MC_Tesco: (o) 
[20:00] narfpoitchezBOOM: hi katchoo
[20:00] Rollo: wow, the tension
[20:00] narfpoitchezBOOM: yaay!
[20:00] Katchoo: hey mouseboy
[20:00] +DavidGervais: Aaron: "In fact, I'll probably release another SE4 patch before 
[20:01] +DavidGervais: starting on SE5."
[20:01] narfpoitchezBOOM: *takes out a saw and cuts out some tension*
[20:01] @MC_Fyron: Yeah!
[20:01] narfpoitchezBOOM: yaay!
[20:01] Erax:  Way to go !
[20:01] * StarfuryJunkie wonders how those two comments can logically fit together.
[20:01] @MC_Fyron: evil white background text....
[20:01] +DavidGervais: Aaron: "You might also  want to emphasize the fact that Starfury is NOT 
[20:01] +DavidGervais: SE5. Only the graphics engine will be used."
[20:01] @MC_Fyron: SJ, they can not!
[20:02] narfpoitchezBOOM: yes they can. he does that se4 patch before finishing starfury
[20:02] +StarfuryJunkie: Ah!
[20:02] * MC_Tesco i knew about the patch
[20:02] +StarfuryJunkie: Good one.
[20:02] @MC_Tesco: people send me email... 
[20:03] * StarfuryJunkie had heard about it before.
[20:03] +DavidGervais: and the piece de resistance,...
[20:03] @MC_Tesco: thinking i am aaron 
[20:03] @MC_Tesco: hehe 
[20:03] @MC_Fyron: Who would make that mistake Tesco?
[20:03] Erax:  Maybe you are.
[20:03] Rollo: tesco= are you Aaron?
[20:03] +DavidGervais: Aaron: "You can let Tesco know that I'd be happy to do a guest speaker gig once Starfury is out the door.
[20:03] @MC_Fyron: YEAH!!!
[20:03] @MC_Tesco: thank you david 
[20:03] narfpoitchezBOOM: YAAY!
[20:03] Erax:  Woohoo !!
[20:03] +StarfuryJunkie: WOOOOOO!
[20:03] Rollo: nice
[20:03] * StarfuryJunkie stomps his feet to make more noise.
[20:04] +DavidGervais: so you heard it here, Aaron WILL be doing a guest chat session once SF is out the door.
[20:04] +StarfuryJunkie: Yeah!
[20:04] * MC_Fyron throws on the APPLAUSE sign
[20:04] * Rollo would clap but is afraid to spill his beer
[20:04] * MC_Tesco wishes to inform rollo of the beer hat
[20:04] +DavidGervais: I'm sure Tesco will post times and dates once he gets them from Aaron.
[20:04] * MC_Fyron suggests that Rollo sets the beer down on the table in front of him.
[20:04] * StarfuryJunkie hands rollo a coaster CD.
[20:04] * Katchoo whips out his whoopie cushion.
[20:04] * Rollo stomps feet instead
[20:05] @MC_Tesco: well that is cool 
[20:05] @MC_Tesco: thank you 
[20:05] narfpoitchezBOOM: *narf keeps an eye on katchoo*
[20:05] +DavidGervais: Now some news I got from Aaron about my Topic,...
[20:05] +DavidGervais: most of the GUI graphics in SE4 are hardcoded, so modding the GUI is not an easy task.
[20:06] * StarfuryJunkie waits in anticipation
[20:06] * MC_Tesco hopes DG cuts and pastes prepaired script :)
[20:06] +DavidGervais: I did however create a new set of 'main' buttons.
[20:06] +DavidGervais: give me a sec to post it on the forum,... brb
[20:06] Erax:  With an intel button ?
[20:07] @MC_Tesco: skins perhaps ?? 
[20:08] @MC_Fyron: XML would be a good thing to use for that. ;)
[20:08] +DavidGervais: (Link: http://www.shrapnelgames.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=23;t=009399)http://www.shrapnelgames.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=23;t=009399
[20:08] * StarfuryJunkie taps Erax on the shoulder, and wispers that the white background should be avoided.
[20:09] @MC_Fyron: WoW!
[20:09] +DavidGervais: btw, Aaron also mentionned that the GUI will be much easier to 'Mod' in SE5
[20:09] * MC_Fyron wonders if David made this. ;)
[20:10] +DavidGervais: Fyron you wonder if I made what?
[20:10] @MC_Fyron: The new buttons/
[20:10] +DavidGervais: the new main buttons? Of course I did, silly.
[20:10] Rollo: Bwahaha
[20:11] +DavidGervais: So any questions?
[20:11] @MC_Fyron: Oh... erm... so... who has questions for Mr. Avatar?
[20:11] narfpoitchezBOOM: looks neat
[20:11] * MC_Fyron tests out the new buttons/
[20:11] @MC_Tesco: he thats nice 
[20:11] Rollo: woohoo nice buttons
[20:12] @MC_Tesco: a friend of mine did some buttons as well 
[20:12] @MC_Tesco: i will have to dig them up 
[20:12] Rollo: and yes, that is definately the 'Gervais style'
[20:12] Katchoo: spiffy buttons!  anyway to alter the other buttons at the top too?
[20:12] * MC_Fyron wonders if David is going to make the rest of the buttons?
[20:13] * Katchoo laughs at Fryon since Katchoo beat him to the question (h)
[20:13] @MC_Fyron: Katchoo, open up Orders.bmp
[20:13] @MC_Fyron: You asked a different question. ;)
[20:14] @MC_Fyron: Mr. Avatar, would you mind terribly if this file was placed in Adamant Mod?
[20:15] +DavidGervais: oops, an accident, was called away from computer.
[20:15] +DavidGervais: back now,..
[20:16] +DavidGervais: Fyron, I already did, the whole kit and kaboodtle of buttons (just not for se4 ;) )
[20:17] @MC_Fyron: :P
[20:17] +DavidGervais: by all means fyron it there for people to use as they wish.
[20:18] @MC_Fyron: You should make/release a custom Orders.bmp file too.
[20:18] +DavidGervais: Fyron, I already did, the whole kit and kaboodtle of buttons (just not for se4 ;) ) 
[20:18] * Rollo has a deja vu
[20:19] +DavidGervais: I will play around with the GUI (even if I'm forced to very tight specs)
[20:19] @MC_Fyron: David, that is why I said release...
[20:19] +DavidGervais: everyone close your eyes,...
[20:19] +DavidGervais: They will be released in se5!
[20:20] narfpoitchezBOOM: YAAY!
[20:20] @MC_Fyron: But that is not SE4....
[20:20] +DavidGervais: ok, open your eyes and pretend you didn't hear/see that.
[20:20] Erax: *** Drops new buttons into a mod
[20:20] +DavidGervais: besides thay are not the same size anymore.
[20:20] Erax: *** Opens SE4
[20:21] @MC_Fyron: So resize them.
[20:21] Rollo: Fyron, stop that
[20:21] Erax: David, they're beautiful. Glass buttons !
[20:21] +DavidGervais: Fyron be nice, you know I can't
[20:21] @MC_Fyron: Oh...
[20:21] @MC_Fyron: So... anyone have questions for Mr. Avatar?
[20:22] narfpoitchezBOOM: time to make burger
[20:22] Erax: What's your favorite theme for avatars ?
[20:22] +DavidGervais: no favorite theme, although the majority seem to be fantasy.
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[20:23] +DavidGervais: I like when I find a unique one.
[20:23] Rollo: Can you recommend any freeware paint programm, David?
[20:23] +TerranC: Hello all
[20:23] +DavidGervais: Well, I have a link to the demo of the program I use. Anyone interested?
[20:24] Erax: Sure !
[20:24] * MC_Tesco post away
[20:24] Rollo: yes, please post the link
[20:24] +DavidGervais: (Link: http://2dw.runez.com/tools.html)http://2dw.runez.com/tools.html (Right click and 'Save Tagret As')
[20:24] +DavidGervais: I tested the link yesterday and it worked. 
[20:25] @MC_Fyron: So what is special about this program? Why do you use it over other programs?
[20:26] Rollo: i assume you mean the artgem image editor
[20:26] +DavidGervais: extreme ease of use.
[20:26] narfpoitchezBOOM: hi
[20:26] +DavidGervais: I can do in 5 min what would take 20 in paintshop pro, or photoshop.
[20:27] @MC_Fyron: But isn't that just because you are more familiar with ArtGem than those other programs?
[20:27] Erax: What does the demo allow us to do ?
[20:28] +DavidGervais: no, I used the 'Other' programs for a long time, when I found ArtGem I found it much more convienient.
[20:28] Katchoo: the demo doesn't seem to have much limitations...
[20:28] @MC_Fyron: In what ways? Can you give us an example/
[20:29] +DavidGervais: Just a simple thing like picking up a section of a pic and pasting it someplace else is a major pain in Photoshop.
[20:29] +DavidGervais: In ArtGem you just pick up a custom brush and the cursor becomes the pic section and you just paste it.
[20:29] @MC_Fyron: Very easy to do in MS Paint. Perhaps Adobe and... the company that makes Paintshop Pro... could learn a few things?
[20:30] narfpoitchezBOOM: deluxe paint for the amiga had some really neat features
[20:30] +DavidGervais: Also, it's very reminicent of an old classic paint program called Deluxe paint. It was the best at the time.
[20:30] @MC_Fyron: LMAO
[20:31] +DavidGervais: who's reading who's mind? LOL
[20:31] Erax: The link for the demo is working. Just D/L'd it.
[20:31] * MC_Tesco DG i was wondering if you could tell me what led you down the path to creating graphics for games ???
[20:32] +DavidGervais: Well I've been doing this for about 12 years now.
[20:32] +DavidGervais: The first game with my name in the credits was Steel Panthers.
[20:33] Erax: Wow.
[20:33] +DavidGervais: I did terrain and some Tank units for that game.
[20:33] * MC_Tesco have the whole series
[20:33] +DavidGervais: I also trained all the artists at the company to work on computers
[20:34] +DavidGervais: Back then I was also trained on the LucasArts 'Adventure' game tools. byle, usweat, etc.
[20:34] @MC_Fyron: Nice names. :)
[20:34] +DavidGervais: they were for doing anims in games like The Dig, Sam and Max etc.
[20:36] +DavidGervais: I worked on a secret Indy game that never got published.
[20:36] narfpoitchezBOOM: * orange pop
[20:36] +DavidGervais: "Indianna Jones and the Iron Phoenix. to be precise.
[20:37] +DavidGervais: I also did graphics for Age of Rifles 2
[20:38] +DavidGervais: I then took a major break for the game scene, (80+ hours/week) for about 6 months will tend to burn you out.
[20:38] +DavidGervais: Next question?
[20:39] +TerranC: I have a question: What's going on?
[20:39] +DavidGervais: going on?
[20:39] Rollo: LOL
[20:39] Erax: I assume work on SEV doesn't follow this killer schedule ?
[20:40] @MC_Fyron: 80+ hours a week!?! 8-O
[20:40] Rollo: : TerranC, david is our guest speaker tonite
[20:40] +DavidGervais: no not at all, Aaron and I have been discussing se5 since back when I did the Graphics for Dungeon Odyssey.
[20:40] Erax: So you kind of do things as you or Aaron think of them.
[20:40] narfpoitchezBOOM: the topic is graphics
[20:41] +DavidGervais: sort of, basically Aaron makes a wish and I play Genie. ;)
[20:41] narfpoitchezBOOM: and spontanious YAAY!'s
[20:42] Erax: Haha, not bad ! I wish I had a coworker like you.
[20:42] @MC_Fyron: heh
[20:42] +DavidGervais: FYI, A major chunk of the 2D graphics for se5 are done, so Aaron will have a good head start when he starts the dev.
[20:42] @MC_Fyron: Cool!
[20:43] narfpoitchezBOOM: yaay! see?
[20:43] * StarfuryJunkie has good news.
[20:43] @MC_Fyron: Then by all means share it!
[20:44] * StarfuryJunkie 's dead harddrive is still under warranty!
[20:44] Erax: What ?
[20:44] +DavidGervais: what news SJ?
[20:44] * StarfuryJunkie gets a free new one.
[20:44] Rollo: yay!
[20:44] @MC_Fyron: Better hope it isnt really a refurbished one... ;)
[20:44] +StarfuryJunkie: Better than nothing still.
[20:44] +DavidGervais: ...and I just saved alot by changing to Geiko!... :P
[20:44] @MC_Fyron: So, anyone have more questions for Mr. Avatar? 
[20:45] +StarfuryJunkie: Yes!  Have you backed up your important files lately?
[20:45] +DavidGervais: yes, I do that fairly often.
[20:45] narfpoitchezBOOM: do you want some toast?
[20:45] Rollo: I do!
[20:46] narfpoitchezBOOM: *hands rollo some toast*
[20:46] Rollo: yum
[20:46] Erax: *** was wondering when that would come up...
[20:46] narfpoitchezBOOM: could you get some red dwarf avatars?
[20:46] @MC_Tesco: DG do you ever do 3d graphics?? 
[20:46] +DavidGervais: post a request in the right place and I'm sure I could manage that.
[20:46] +StarfuryJunkie: Isn't there already a Cryton avatar out there in the emporium?
[20:46] +DavidGervais: just started playing with 3D graphics.
[20:47] +DavidGervais: I have been using a nifty program called Anim8or.
[20:47] +StarfuryJunkie: Will you be making some cool models for Starfury?
[20:47] +StarfuryJunkie: Such as a Ringworld?
[20:48] +DavidGervais: I don't think so SJ. I'm still a rookie where 3D is concerned.
[20:48] @MC_Fyron: It won't take you long to be un-rookied. ;)
[20:48] +DavidGervais: But I do know that Anim8or can be used to make models for SF.
[20:48] narfpoitchezBOOM: done
[20:49] Katchoo: is Anim8or free, or a demo available?
[20:49] +DavidGervais: 100% free,...
[20:49] Erax: And you did some of the Starfury 2D art, right ?
[20:49] +DavidGervais: (Link: http://www.anim8or.com/)http://www.anim8or.com/
[20:49] Rollo: (Link: http://www.anim8or.com/main/index.html)http://www.anim8or.com/main/index.html
[20:49] Rollo: drat
[20:49] +DavidGervais: :P@ rollo
[20:49] Erax: :-)
[20:49] Katchoo: woot!  i gotta look at this...
[20:50] +DavidGervais: I did the main UI panel in SF, and a few components.
[20:50] Rollo: i can only say that anim8or is cool and easy to use
[20:50] Katchoo: can you do ship models in it?
[20:50] Rollo: and here is a site with tutorials for anim8or:
[20:50] Rollo: (Link: http://members.lycos.nl/jonim8or/index.html)http://members.lycos.nl/jonim8or/index.html
[20:51] +DavidGervais: rollo taught me everything he know about Anim8or, now I know what he does and what I do, So I'm ahead of the game now ;)
[20:51] Rollo: Katchoo, yes
[20:51] +DavidGervais: Right rollo?
[20:51] +DavidGervais: LOL
[20:51] Rollo: yes, but you have overtaken me , i assume :)
[20:51] +DavidGervais: Oh and IMHO Anim8or is Heads above Dogga for modeling.
[20:53] @MC_Fyron: Do we have another question for Mr. Avatar?
[20:54] Erax: Do you still play SE4 or you prefer towork on the Emporium ?
[20:54] @MC_Tesco: can you make me some web icons and banners :) 
[20:55] narfpoitchezBOOM: emperium?
[20:55] +DavidGervais: I play ArtGem the most, nad have even played it playing se5 :P
[20:56] Erax: :-D
[20:56] +DavidGervais: I just do the avatar thing as a quiet distraction in 'lulls'
[20:57] +DavidGervais: with over 1000 avatars, I guess I have a LOT of 'lull' moments. ;)
[20:57] @MC_Fyron: LOL
[20:57] +DavidGervais: But that's what happens when the artist gets way ahead of the game in the dev cycle.
[20:58] +DavidGervais: BTW Aaron wont mind me quoting him again,...
[20:59] narfpoitchezBOOM: ooh! quote!
[20:59] * Katchoo anticipates Aaron
[20:59] Erax: The anticipation is killing me.
[20:59] * Katchoo anticipates Aaron: free copies of SE5 for everyone!
[20:59] @MC_Tesco: "keep your hands to your self you filty ape" 
[20:59] +DavidGervais: "The Starfury beta is comming along nicely, in fact the game is already much better than when the beta started. Thanks to a great bunch of testers."
[20:59] narfpoitchezBOOM: yaay!
[21:00] Erax: Yaay !!
[21:00] * MC_Fyron flashes the Applause sign/
[21:00] * Rollo claps
[21:00] Erax: *** claps.
[21:00] narfpoitchezBOOM: *applauds*
[21:00] +DavidGervais: One quote worth repeating,...
[21:00] +DavidGervais: Aaron: "You can let Tesco know that I'd be happy to do a guest speaker gig once Starfury is out the door."
[21:01] @MC_Tesco: well DG we will end it with that quote 
[21:01] narfpoitchezBOOM: *yaay again*
[21:01] Rollo: yay!
[21:01] @MC_Tesco: Your welcome to keep on chatting  
[21:01] * Rollo thanks DG
[21:01] narfpoitchezBOOM: *chatting, chatting*
[21:01] Erax: Thank you very much David.
[21:01] +DavidGervais: Oh. I have no intention of leaving, 
[21:01] narfpoitchezBOOM: *Narf thanks DG*
[21:01] +DavidGervais: And it was my pleasure.
[21:01] Erax: *** claps
[21:01] @MC_Tesco: I would like to take this time to thank you very much for taking the time to be a guest speaker on the channel 
[21:02] narfpoitchezBOOM: *narf takes a short break. if anyone leaves before i get back, bye*
[21:02] Erax: Who's on next week ?
[21:02] +TerranC: You
[21:02] Rollo: LOL
[21:02] +TerranC: that's right, you.
[21:02] @MC_Tesco: it is every two weeks 
[21:02] * DavidGervais thinks tesco also wants to thank me for being the 'middle-man' to get Aaron to agree to a guest speaker spot. ;)
[21:02] +TerranC: nah, we should get Tesco to guest speak :D
[21:03] @MC_Tesco: i was going to ask 
[21:03] Erax: Ok, so the week after next ?
[21:03] @MC_Tesco: just want to get this thing going before we ask him on 
[21:03] +DavidGervais: July 16th right?
[21:03] @MC_Tesco: yep